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Lyn St George

11 Jan 2020 11 Jan '20

4:19 p.m.

Hallo, I see WebService::HMRC on cpan with a note that it was originally developed for LedgerSMB, but I can find no reference to it in the list archives. Is there an existing implementation of this? Cheers Lyn

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Nick Prater

12 Jan 12 Jan

8:33 p.m.

On 2020-01-11 16:19, Lyn St George wrote:

Hallo, I see WebService::HMRC on cpan with a note that it was originally developed for LedgerSMB, but I can find no reference to it in the list archives. Is there an existing implementation of this?

Hello! I have been working on a branch to add UK Making Tax Digital functionality for VAT reporting to LedgerSMB: https://github.com/nick-prater/LedgerSMB/tree/mtd-vat Work commitments last year meant that I haven't progressed this for over a year, but as far as I recall, the interaction with HMRC is complete - what's missing is the necessary reporting to extract the VAT return figures from lsmb. For my own business, I currently extract VAT return figures from lsmb using a spreadsheet and data from Sales->Search and Purchases->Search. That works fine for my business, but for a more general solution, I remember discussing some additions to the schema, such as being able to flag accounts as being inside or outside the scope of VAT. In summary, if we can crack extracting the VAT return figures from lsmb, the functionality to submit this to HMRC is (or at least was) in place. Since I last tested, they've added mandatory 'fraud prevention headers', which may need revisiting. This is still something I'm keen to complete - especially if there is interest from somebody else. Best wishes, Nick

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Erik Huelsmann

10:37 p.m.

Hi Nick, Lyn, On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 9:33 PM Nick Prater <nick(a)npbroadcast.com> wrote:

On 2020-01-11 16:19, Lyn St George wrote:

Hallo, I see WebService::HMRC on cpan with a note that it was originally developed for LedgerSMB, but I can find no reference to it in the list archives. Is there an existing implementation of this?

Hello! I have been working on a branch to add UK Making Tax Digital functionality for VAT reporting to LedgerSMB: https://github.com/nick-prater/LedgerSMB/tree/mtd-vat

@Nick Prater <nick(a)npbroadcast.com>om>, thanks for responding to Lyn's mail: I saw it in the archives, but it never reached my GMail mailbox. Work commitments last year meant that I haven't progressed this for over

a year, but as far as I recall, the interaction with HMRC is complete - what's missing is the necessary reporting to extract the VAT return figures from lsmb. For my own business, I currently extract VAT return figures from lsmb using a spreadsheet and data from Sales->Search and Purchases->Search. That works fine for my business, but for a more general solution, I remember discussing some additions to the schema, such as being able to flag accounts as being inside or outside the scope of VAT.

If there's anything I can help with, please let me know! In summary, if we can crack extracting the VAT return figures from lsmb,

the functionality to submit this to HMRC is (or at least was) in place. Since I last tested, they've added mandatory 'fraud prevention headers', which may need revisiting. This is still something I'm keen to complete - especially if there is interest from somebody else.

Regards, -- Bye, Erik. http://efficito.com -- Hosted accounting and ERP. Robust and Flexible. No vendor lock-in.

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Lyn St George

13 Jan 13 Jan

8:10 p.m.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 20:33:09 +0000 Nick Prater <nick(a)npbroadcast.com> wrote: [snip]

Hello! I have been working on a branch to add UK Making Tax Digital functionality for VAT reporting to LedgerSMB: https://github.com/nick-prater/LedgerSMB/tree/mtd-vat Work commitments last year meant that I haven't progressed this for over a year, but as far as I recall, the interaction with HMRC is complete - what's missing is the necessary reporting to extract the VAT return figures from lsmb. For my own business, I currently extract VAT return figures from lsmb using a spreadsheet and data from Sales->Search and Purchases->Search. That works fine for my business, but for a more general solution, I remember discussing some additions to the schema, such as being able to flag accounts as being inside or outside the scope of VAT. In summary, if we can crack extracting the VAT return figures from lsmb, the functionality to submit this to HMRC is (or at least was) in place. Since I last tested, they've added mandatory 'fraud prevention headers', which may need revisiting. This is still something I'm keen to complete - especially if there is interest from somebody else. Best wishes, Nick

Hallo Nick, That sounds as if it's almost there. I'm willing to help out as and when time allows, but I have to get lsmb working first. I also have an ecommerce package that needs to be updated, and this has an admin panel that does everything needed for sales and payment operations, but nothing on purchases. I do plan to add that, and probably integrate your module, but it's never going to be compliant enough with accounting practices to satisfy an audit. So, assuming that lsmb is compliant for the UK (I haven't seen this stated) then I will be wanting to use that. I'm personally hopeless at accounting, so need something that will do it right for me. Currently lsmb is throwing internal server errors (possibly due to an unblessed reference) and refusing my login, but I hope to get this working sometime this week and will then look at how VAT might be extracted. Cheers Lyn

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Lyn St George

24 Mar 24 Mar

3:01 p.m.

On Sun, 2020-01-12 at 20:33 +0000, Nick Prater wrote:

On 2020-01-11 16:19, Lyn St George wrote:

Hallo, I see WebService::HMRC on cpan with a note that it was originally developed for LedgerSMB, but I can find no reference to it in the list archives. Is there an existing implementation of this?

Hello! I have been working on a branch to add UK Making Tax Digital functionality for VAT reporting to LedgerSMB: https://github.com/nick-prater/LedgerSMB/tree/mtd-vat Work commitments last year meant that I haven't progressed this for over a year, but as far as I recall, the interaction with HMRC is complete - what's missing is the necessary reporting to extract the VAT return figures from lsmb. For my own business, I currently extract VAT return figures from lsmb using a spreadsheet and data from Sales->Search and Purchases-

Search.

That works fine for my business, but for a more general solution, I remember discussing some additions to the schema, such as being able to flag accounts as being inside or outside the scope of VAT. In summary, if we can crack extracting the VAT return figures from lsmb, the functionality to submit this to HMRC is (or at least was) in place. Since I last tested, they've added mandatory 'fraud prevention headers', which may need revisiting. This is still something I'm keen to complete - especially if there is interest from somebody else. Best wishes, Nick

Hi Nick, This thread is old, but MTD is now upon us alas. I think HMRC have updated the auth process since your last commit, so I'm wondering if you have a later version of this? I currently have a copy of Stansoft, which is in C for linux and uses ncurses rather than a gui and is a little clunky, but I'm definitely interested in doing this in perl, either as part of lsmb or on top of Dancer. Best regards Lyn

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